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False Myth #5 The Basque Region is in conflict with Spain since 160 years ago
Another myth which is repeated time after time is the existence of a so-called conflict between 'Euskadi' and Spain, since at least 160 years. This is again another nationalistic dogma, whereby the 'Carlist Wars' were the first manifestation of the secular fight of the Basques pursuing their 'national liberation'.
The 'Carlist Wars' were a confrontation of half of the Spanish citizens against the other half, divided by ideological and dynastical reasons. There were not confrontations of some regions against others, but in fact there were Spaniards from all the regions on both sides. The 'Carlist' faction was not the Basques against the State, but those who defended the institutions of the 'Ancient Regime' and the dynastic rights of Carlos Maria Isidro de Borbon (this is the reason why they were called 'Carlists') and his descendants as legitimate king of Spain, I repeat, Spain..
All of this started with a conflict about the modification of a law that prohibited the women to be heiress to the crown, so Isabel II became the queen instead of Carlos Maria Isidro, the legitimate heir of the crown with the old law.
The 'Carlists' didn't have as aim any secessionist claim. One of their main mottos was indeed "Whatever the cost we must achieve that the King of Spain comes to Madrid" (“Cueste lo que cueste se ha de conseguir que venga el rey de España a la Corte de Madrid”). There were Basques fighting for both sides, as well as Castilians, Gallegos, Andalusians or Catalonians. There were more 'Carlists' in the deep rural zones of the Basque region, reluctant to the proceeds of liberalism and opposing the liquidation of the institutions of the 'Ancient Regime', but a very important part of the Basques were hostile to this ideology, mainly in the more illustrated cities. For example Bilbao suffered two sieges by the 'Carlists' troops.
The nationalist/separatist historiography has tried to present the 'Carlist Wars' as a confrontation of the Basques trying to defend their 'foral regime' and fighting for 'national liberation', while it was clearly a bloody and lengthy confrontation between Spaniards in a country that was receiving a late wave of liberalism.
False Myth #5 The Basque Region is in conflict with Spain since 160 years ago
Another myth which is repeated time after time is the existence of a so-called conflict between 'Euskadi' and Spain, since at least 160 years. This is again another nationalistic dogma, whereby the 'Carlist Wars' were the first manifestation of the secular fight of the Basques pursuing their 'national liberation'.
The 'Carlist Wars' were a confrontation of half of the Spanish citizens against the other half, divided by ideological and dynastical reasons. There were not confrontations of some regions against others, but in fact there were Spaniards from all the regions on both sides. The 'Carlist' faction was not the Basques against the State, but those who defended the institutions of the 'Ancient Regime' and the dynastic rights of Carlos Maria Isidro de Borbon (this is the reason why they were called 'Carlists') and his descendants as legitimate king of Spain, I repeat, Spain..
All of this started with a conflict about the modification of a law that prohibited the women to be heiress to the crown, so Isabel II became the queen instead of Carlos Maria Isidro, the legitimate heir of the crown with the old law.
The 'Carlists' didn't have as aim any secessionist claim. One of their main mottos was indeed "Whatever the cost we must achieve that the King of Spain comes to Madrid" (“Cueste lo que cueste se ha de conseguir que venga el rey de España a la Corte de Madrid”). There were Basques fighting for both sides, as well as Castilians, Gallegos, Andalusians or Catalonians. There were more 'Carlists' in the deep rural zones of the Basque region, reluctant to the proceeds of liberalism and opposing the liquidation of the institutions of the 'Ancient Regime', but a very important part of the Basques were hostile to this ideology, mainly in the more illustrated cities. For example Bilbao suffered two sieges by the 'Carlists' troops.
The nationalist/separatist historiography has tried to present the 'Carlist Wars' as a confrontation of the Basques trying to defend their 'foral regime' and fighting for 'national liberation', while it was clearly a bloody and lengthy confrontation between Spaniards in a country that was receiving a late wave of liberalism.
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Your informative opinions are quite amusing and noteworthy of your contradictions. A quick look at your profile describes you as a "liberal economist, open-minded person". Man, if you are open-minded and use titles such as "Getting the best out of your limited brain","Ignorant", and the defeaning contradiction, "A bit of history (again)", you have seriously lost relation to what being open-minded is. Further reading into your writing only indicates stronger biases you have. "Our intellectually-limited president, Mr. Nothing" shouts with bias. And you continue pretty much along the same lines throughout your writing. Perhaps, serious reflections should be made to understand what being open-minded and objectionable is. In my opinion, you portray yourself as quite an extremist.
Even in the United States, free-thinking liberal people are turned-off by those hyper-criticizing President Bush, who ranks to have the lowest approval rating in the all-time history of the United States. Extremists are the ones that pick a side and slander the opposite side. Diversity and diversified learnings are the inevitability of global society. Why do so many Spaniards turn a blind eye to that? Perhaps, many years of Franco-induced blinders continues to run through the blood of this generation.
And before you start making your assumptions and espouse language variability, know that I am a Chinese man; though I am skilled as a westerner, who sympathizes with the true westerner view of freedom. Include that into your assumption. Now, since you are an economist, factor the great upcoming Chinese power and how they would treat you as the Spanish monarch treats the Basque and Catalonian Community. Not such a pretty vision, is it?
So, take care of your communinty, man, and stop wasting all this energy fighting a fight which you have nothing to gain from. As an economist, you should be able to see the wastes of so much money, time, and effort for the sake of ego. Gora nuestras communidades!
Anonymous.. Fantastic clarity. Thank you for putting noggia back in the light
Excuse me if I´m wrong but I can´t help thinking that our Chinese friend´s syntax and grammatical habits are strikingly Spanish in nature.I´m not aware of anybody from any international community who really believes the Spanish monarch mistreats the Basques and Catalonians. I have met Basque and Catalonian nationalists who do. Far be it from me to naysay their sentiments but I must say I did notice that a great many of their sincerely held views were wildly at variance with demonstrable fact.Quite frankly,they seem impervious to reason and reasonable debate and simply pursue their agendas with vehemence and,indeed, virulence! I´m afraid,dear Noggia, you will find yourself micturating against the wind! Good luck,old chap!
well it could be...but don't underestimate the influence of the nationalist lobby....I still remember being introduced to the "Basque Ambassador" in a meeting in Ivory Coast some years ago....
¿¿¿Embajador Vasco en un encuentro en Costa de Marfil??? Sí que van adelantados estos tíos, joder...
P.D.- Disculpa que conteste en español, porque mi inglés escrito no es muy fluido...
Ni mas ni menos!!! Ahora, en cuanto podía bien que acudía a la embajada española a jugar a las cartas. Que payasos.
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